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global warming pushers murder babies

Posted by txcup 
global warming pushers murder babies
May 01, 2012 11:44PM
f-ing psychos

[www.coyoteblog.com]

From the Gaurdian via Bishop Hill

The Guardian is reporting that UK climate change aid money has been used to fund forced sterilisation programmes in India.

Tens of millions of pounds of UK aid money have been spent on a programme that has forcibly sterilised Indian women and men, the Observer has learned…

Court documents filed in India earlier this month claim that many victims have been left in pain, with little or no aftercare. Across the country, there have been numerous reports of deaths and of pregnant women suffering miscarriages after being selected for sterilisation without being warned that they would lose their unborn babies.

Yet a working paper published by the UK’s Department for International Development in 2010 cited the need to fight climate change as one of the key reasons for pressing ahead with such programmes. The document argued that reducing population numbers would cut greenhouse gases, although it warned that there were “complex human rights and ethical issues” involved in forced population control.

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"The masses... do not conceive any ideas, sound or unsound. They only choose between the ideologies developed by the intellectual leaders of mankind. But their choice is final and determines the course of events. If they prefer bad doctrines, nothing can prevent disaster."
Anonymous User
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 01, 2012 11:47PM
Population control and climate change are two very different monkeys.

Climate issues can more easily be addressed by putting money into conservation, energy alternatives and higher effeciency technology (hell, the whole thing can be solved through judicious use of higher and cheeper tech).

But population control is best dealt with through education of the population. Especially women. And where that fails then other methods can be employed but we shouldn't jump to forced sterilization before we exhaust the alternative of education.
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 01, 2012 11:52PM
the hubris of 'science' is mighty impressive when it is used to push an agenda. they declare man made global warming on no evidence.....and conclude that reducing humans is one fix to their non-scientific declaration.

there is no science that can prove either. yet they persist.....including murder

f-ing psychos

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"The masses... do not conceive any ideas, sound or unsound. They only choose between the ideologies developed by the intellectual leaders of mankind. But their choice is final and determines the course of events. If they prefer bad doctrines, nothing can prevent disaster."
Anonymous User
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 02, 2012 12:11AM
The hubris of science is nothing new. The world has gone through more than a few fits of horrible policy based on unsound science.

It is up to rational minds to combat the abuses while still retaining a dedication to sound science.

Just because one scientist may be wrong, or a field of science my be wrong, is no reason to turn your back on the scientific principles, rationality and empiricism that have brought us so far so quickly.

The future may well be saved by science that we now think of as "fringe".
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 02, 2012 01:12AM
If this is happening, it is the hubris of social and political ideology. It has nothing to do with science.

At the Scopes Monkey Trial, Clarence Darrow gave a brilliant speech, but the cynical journalist H.L. Mencken told him "You may as well have shouted it up a waterspout in Outer Mongolia for all the effect it will have on your listeners ..

Ditto here.
Anonymous User
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 02, 2012 01:29AM
You're right. I stand corrected.
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 02, 2012 09:41AM
This thread is based on a blog by Coyote?
That doesn't even merit a response.


Mac
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 02, 2012 01:56PM
Mac McFadden Wrote:
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> This thread is based on a blog by Coyote?
> That doesn't even merit a response.
>
>
> Mac


the guardian...a capital M in msm


this envirofascism is the globalist's chosen path to run over borders and sovereignty. it's the perfect cover. what else would grant such 'authority'?

g edward griffin, in his book about the federal reserve, the creature from jekyll island, layed it out exactly as it's happening now. amazing to watch it in motion now

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"The masses... do not conceive any ideas, sound or unsound. They only choose between the ideologies developed by the intellectual leaders of mankind. But their choice is final and determines the course of events. If they prefer bad doctrines, nothing can prevent disaster."



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/02/2012 02:04PM by txcup.
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 02, 2012 04:15PM
txcup, I think this has just about got to be, at the very least, among the stupidest threads you've ever started. And that's saying something.

Top five easily.

It's like saying convenience stores murder their customers because there have been robberies that have claimed the lives of their patrons.

http://imgdump.novarata.net/image.php?di=WN26
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 03, 2012 03:30AM
I CAN tell the LAST group of women they would try to sterilize:
Rich, Republikkklan women.

Now tell me again how "Liberals" are behind it.
If you want to know WHO is behind it, look at WHO is being sterilized.


Mac
Anonymous User
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 03, 2012 03:37AM
The Guardian article that is linked to in the blog doesn't say anything about climate change funds going toward the sterilizations.
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 03, 2012 04:15AM
Coyote is the one making that supposed "connection".
(Only in his warped brain.)
He is well known to Oregon Progressives.


Mac
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 03, 2012 07:48AM
here, let me hit you over the head with it

[www.guardian.co.uk]

UK aid helps to fund forced sterilisation of India's poor

Tens of millions of pounds of UK aid money have been spent on a programme that has forcibly sterilised Indian women and men, the Observer has learned. Many have died as a result of botched operations, while others have been left bleeding and in agony. A number of pregnant women selected for sterilisation suffered miscarriages and lost their babies.

The UK agreed to give India £166m to fund the programme, despite allegations that the money would be used to sterilise the poor in an attempt to curb the country's burgeoning population of 1.2 billion people.

Sterilisation has been mired in controversy for years. With officials and doctors paid a bonus for every operation, poor and little-educated men and women in rural areas are routinely rounded up and sterilised without having a chance to object. Activists say some are told they are going to health camps for operations that will improve their general wellbeing and only discover the truth after going under the knife.

Court documents filed in India earlier this month claim that many victims have been left in pain, with little or no aftercare. Across the country, there have been numerous reports of deaths and of pregnant women suffering miscarriages after being selected for sterilisation without being warned that they would lose their unborn babies.

Yet a working paper published by the UK's Department for International Development in 2010 cited the need to fight climate change as one of the key reasons for pressing ahead with such programmes. The document argued that reducing population numbers would cut greenhouse gases, although it warned that there were "complex human rights and ethical issues" involved in forced population control.

The latest allegations centre on the states of Madhya Pradesh and Bihar, both targeted by the UK government for aid after a review of funding last year. In February, the chief minister of Madhya Pradesh had to publicly warn off his officials after widespread reports of forced sterilisation. A few days later, 35-year-old Rekha Wasnik bled to death in the state after doctors sterilised her. The wife of a poor labourer, she was pregnant with twins at the time. She began bleeding on the operating table and a postmortem cited the operation as the cause of death.

Earlier this month, India's supreme court heard how a surgeon operating in a school building in the Araria district of Bihar in January carried out 53 operations in two hours, assisted by unqualified staff, with no access to running water or equipment to clean the operating equipment. A video shot by activists shows filthy conditions and women lying on the straw-covered ground.

Human rights campaigner Devika Biswas told the court that "inhuman sterilisations, particularly in rural areas, continue with reckless disregard for the lives of poor women". Biswas said 53 poor and low-caste women were rounded up and sterilised in operations carried out by torchlight that left three bleeding profusely and led to one woman who was three months pregnant miscarrying. "After the surgeries, all 53 women were crying out in pain. Though they were in desperate need of medical care, no one came to assist them," she said.

The court gave the national and state governments two months to respond to the allegations.

Activists say that it is India's poor – and particularly tribal people – who are most frequently targeted and who are most vulnerable to pressure to be sterilised. They claim that people have been threatened with losing their ration cards if they do not undergo operations, or bribed with as little as 600 rupees (£7.34) and a sari. Some states run lotteries in which people can win cars and fridges if they agree to be sterilised.

Despite the controversy, an Indian government report shows that sterilisation remains the most common method of family planning used in its Reproductive and Child Health Programme Phase II, launched in 2005 with £166m of UK funding. According to the DfID, the UK is committed to the project until next year and has spent £34m in 2011-12. Most of the money – £162m – has been paid out, but no special conditions have been placed on the funding.

Funding varies from state to state, but in Bihar private clinics receive 1,500 rupees for every sterilisation, with a bonus of 500 rupees a patient if they carry out more than 30 operations on a particular day. NGO workers who convince people to have the operations receive 150 rupees a person, while doctors get 75 rupees for each patient.

A 2009 Indian government report said that nearly half a million sterilisations had been carried out the previous year but warned of problems with quality control and financial management.

In 2006, India's ministry of health and family welfare published a report into sterilisation, which warned of growing concerns, and the following year an Indian government audit of the programme warned of continuing problems with sterilisation camps. "Quality of sterilisation services in the camps is a matter of concern," it said. It also said the quality of services was affected because much of the work was crammed into the final part of the financial year.

When it announced changes to aid for India last year, the DfID promised to improve the lives of more than 10 million poor women and girls. It said: "We condemn forced sterilisation and have taken steps to ensure that not a penny of UK aid could support it. The UK does not fund sterilisation centres anywhere.

"The coalition government has completely changed the way that aid is spent in India to focus on three of the poorest states, and our support for this programme is about to end as part of that change. Giving women access to family planning, no matter where they live or how poor they are, is a fundamental tenet of the coalition's international development policy."

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"The masses... do not conceive any ideas, sound or unsound. They only choose between the ideologies developed by the intellectual leaders of mankind. But their choice is final and determines the course of events. If they prefer bad doctrines, nothing can prevent disaster."



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/03/2012 07:54AM by txcup.
Anonymous User
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 03, 2012 07:54AM
Nowhere does it say that climate change funds were used.
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 03, 2012 07:59AM
Cascade Wrote:
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> Nowhere does it say that climate change funds were
> used.

so gov says we need to do this...then does it......but it doesnt count? what a coincidence confused smiley

a working paper published by the UK's Department for International Development in 2010 cited the need to fight climate change as one of the key reasons for pressing ahead with such programmes. The document argued that reducing population numbers would cut greenhouse gases

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"The masses... do not conceive any ideas, sound or unsound. They only choose between the ideologies developed by the intellectual leaders of mankind. But their choice is final and determines the course of events. If they prefer bad doctrines, nothing can prevent disaster."
Anonymous User
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 03, 2012 08:52AM
The OP starts with a line that is totally untrue: The Guardian is reporting that UK climate change aid money has been used to fund forced sterilisation programmes in India.

Nowhere in any of the articles (except the blog link you posted) does it say that climate funds are being used for the sterilization program.

I disagree with the program and how it's being carried out. It's wrong. But there's no need to spread falsehoods about it.
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 03, 2012 04:01PM
"I disagree with the program and how it's being carried out. It's wrong. But there's no need to spread falsehoods about it." -Cas

I quite agree, Cas. My initial post in this thread still stands.

At most, someone writing a "working paper" supporting a program intended to implement forced sterilization for population control in India tried to use reducing greenhouse gases as a lame, obfuscating excuse to give cover to the fact that they just want to reduce the population, especially of the poor, in India. And of course the climate change deniers jump all over it.

http://imgdump.novarata.net/image.php?di=WN26
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 04, 2012 10:13AM
And if it were true (which it's not) the entire population of the UK is not funding the program.
It has come down to a decision by (at most) a few individuals to spend the funds that way.
And I guarantee you, those individuals are NOT supporters of taking steps to reduce carbon emissions.
In point of fact, they would be deliberately DIVERTING the money away from the purpose for which it is supposed to be intended.


Mac
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 05, 2012 03:39AM
Here's one reason I tend to be more open to climate change scientists than their detractors:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/linc_photo/120504_heatland-billboard_photoblog600.jpg
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 06, 2012 03:34AM
By the time it becomes obvious to everyone that Global Climate Change is real, it will be too late to do anything about it.


Mac
Anonymous User
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 06, 2012 04:18AM
I really hate the term "global climate change" as it's applies to what's happening.

Global climate change happens naturally regardless of man.

What we are experiencing is human induced catastrophic global climate change. A very different thing and to call it GCC is to open the door to semantic arguments.

We need a new term.
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 06, 2012 04:21AM
Why don't we call it: "Up to our ass in alligators"?


Mac
Anonymous User
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 06, 2012 04:29AM
the finger smiley

I'm not sure that has the memetic power to spread.

I was thinking more like "Weather Manipulation". It's much more omminous and those who believe in chemtrails but not in GCC will be on board and drag their friends with them.

Corporate Weather Manipulation would be even better.

Unintentional Weather Manipulation is more accurate though.
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 07, 2012 06:57PM
global warming 'scientists' are just pawns in the globalist's game. this one is a keeper confused smiley

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Until now, an asteroid strike and volcanic activity around 65 million years ago had seemed the most likely cause of their extinction

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"The masses... do not conceive any ideas, sound or unsound. They only choose between the ideologies developed by the intellectual leaders of mankind. But their choice is final and determines the course of events. If they prefer bad doctrines, nothing can prevent disaster."
Re: global warming pushers murder babies
May 07, 2012 07:14PM
I wonder how big a typical brontosaurus turd was. These are the things I think about.
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