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Wolf Blitzer doesn't challenge a Republican liar on a demonstrable falsehood.

Posted by Anonymous User 
I was watching CNN's "Situation Room" today. Wolf Blitzer and his guests were discussing the GOP charge that Obama is weak on foreign policy. Inevitably, the killing of Osama bin Laden was brought up. The Republican commentator Alex Castellanos then opined that the presidential reactions to the death of OBL and the capture of Saddam Hussein were illustrative. Castellanos claimed that Obama's speech delivered that Sunday evening a year ago was all "I...I...I...I...I...", whereas Bush's speech was "we...we...we...we...we...". In other words, Bush is magnanimous and Obama is a self-aggrandizer.

Castellanos then recommended that viewers Google the two speeches. Of course, I did. Obama gave a much longer speech than Bush. I counted the number of times that Obama and Bush used the words "I" and "we" in their respective speeches. Here is what I found.

"Osama Bin Laden Dead" speech
Barack Obama said "I" seven times and "we" 35 times.
[www.whitehouse.gov]

"Capture Of Saddam Hussein" speech
George W Bush said "I" three times and "we" two times.
[www.famous-speeches-and-speech-topics.info]

In looking up those speeches I discovered that a couple of weeks after OBL's death FOX was pushing the same lie that Castellanos repeated today. FOX edited the two speeches to give the impression that Obama was self-boastful and the Bush better shared the credit.
Bush vs. Obama: Different Ways to Use 'I' in a Speech [nation.foxnews.com]
Re: Wolf Blitzer doesn't challenge a Republican liar on a demonstrable falsehood.
April 27, 2012 01:23AM
Another silly straw man argument from Fox (with Wolf dutifully standing by nodding approvingly like the good little GOP soldier he's always been), however - that said... It would be very easy to make the argument that killing Osama required more personal action on his part than catching Saddam did in regards to Bush. The bin Laden affair was a stand alone operation requiring the direct action and decisions of the president. Saddam was caught in the daily routine of the war - Bush was merely sitting back at the office waiting for the inevitable capture. So if Obama had decided to take a bit more personal credit for the success of the capture - he deserved it. However we both know that was not in any way his intention or the impression he wanted to give. File this one under "Obama apologized for America" and "Where is his birth certificate?" More GOP nonsense from the party who can't put a chink in the man's armor.
Indy,
Absolutely. Bush didn't give a "go" order. No soldier asked Bush for permission to look inside the hidey hole. There was no Bush and his security team watching the entire event unfold on live TV.

Incidentally, had the Seal Team Six mission gone south, the Republicans would have castigated Obama as they did Carter when the Tehran rescue mission crashed in a desert storm.

Unbelievably Republicans immediately after the raid on the OLB compound were crediting Bush for having the idea of killing OBL!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/27/2012 01:38AM by Curt Anderson.
Re: Wolf Blitzer doesn't challenge a Republican liar on a demonstrable falsehood.
April 27, 2012 02:58AM
In fairness to Blitzer, you can't really expect him to have known off hand exactly what Obama said or how many times he said it to then be able to call Castellanos on his lie. However, as Castellanos is a Republican, it would have probably been safe to simply assume that he was lying.

Ponderer,
The "Situation Room" is daily show. Do you think that Wolf will announce tomorrow that "our CNN fact checkers looked into that Castellanos' claim and discovered that actually..."?
What do you expect when you watch CNN? Might as well watch Fo or PBS
Re: Wolf Blitzer doesn't challenge a Republican liar on a demonstrable falsehood.
April 27, 2012 05:22AM
Agree - I gave up on CNN when they adopted the Fox model back in the early '90s.
Re: Wolf Blitzer doesn't challenge a Republican liar on a demonstrable falsehood.
April 27, 2012 06:29AM
"Ponderer,
The "Situation Room" is daily show. Do you think that Wolf will announce tomorrow that "our CNN fact checkers looked into that Castellanos' claim and discovered that actually..."?"
-Curt

Of course not. It would be a welcome surprise and actual journalistic occurrence if he did though.

Ponderer Wrote:
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> Of course not. It would be a welcome surprise and
> actual journalistic occurrence if he did though.


Ironically, the place it's most likely to occur is on one of the two fake news programs, The Daily Show or the Colbert Report.
Curt Anderson Wrote:
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> Ironically, the place it's most likely to occur is
> on one of the two fake news programs, The Daily
> Show or the Colbert Report.


You may mean "Ironically, the place it's most likely to occur is on one of the two fake news programs ON COMEDY CENTRAL [as opposed to on one of the many fake news programs on CNN, FOX, MSNBC, or the networks]."
Re: Wolf Blitzer doesn't challenge a Republican liar on a demonstrable falsehood.
April 27, 2012 06:05PM
Wolf Blitzer, to my knowledge, has never been described as a "hard-hitting" or "courageous" reporter of news. In the run-up to the general elections of 2004, with Blitzer as anchor, CNN kept running those despicable "Swift Boat" ads, every day, day after day, hour after hour - ad nauseum - until I wanted to throw up. It would have been bad enough if they had been running them as revenue producing paid political advertisements. That might have been understandable. But that's not what they were doing. These spots kept showing up over and over again, not as paid ads, but as purported legitimate "news stories." They were essentially "free" political advertisements.

CNN is so terrified of being labelled as part of the "liberal" media by the rabid right that they'll bend over backwards to show that they can be "fair and balanced" too.

To CNN, accuracy doesn't matter in the least. "Equal time" is what matters most. In their pitiful attempt to "balance" a story, even if they have to present a scurrilous piece of right-wing propaganda garbage, they can call it " the other side of the story" - never mind that it's a demonstrably blatant lie.

And Wolf Blitzer is their worst offender.

I haven't watched a minute of CNN since 2004 and don't intend to . . . ever.
Re: Wolf Blitzer doesn't challenge a Republican liar on a demonstrable falsehood.
April 27, 2012 07:45PM
Last year my dad sent me a viral e-mail making the same claim.

"Osama Bin Laden Dead" speech
Barack Obama said "I" seven times and "we" 35 times.

"Capture Of Saddam Hussein" speech
George W Bush said "I" three times and "we" two times.


I'll play devil's advocate here. What was the context of all those I's and we's?
Mulva,
You can look at the speeches, as I link to both of them. In both cases the uses "I" and "we" are appropriate, as in "I can report...", etc. The uses of "we" generally referred to we the American people. But the point is, FOX News, Alex Castellanos and your father's email are perpetuating a lie: Obama didn't use "I" more than "we", especially in contrast to Bush.
Re: Wolf Blitzer doesn't challenge a Republican liar on a demonstrable falsehood.
April 27, 2012 08:19PM
Obama / "I" ( I counted 10 occurrences )

- Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda, and a terrorist who’s responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women, and children.

- And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as we continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network.

- Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden.

- I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan.

- I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.

- I've made clear, just as President Bush did shortly after 9/11, that our war is not against Islam.

- Over the years, I've repeatedly made clear that we would take action within Pakistan if we knew where bin Laden was.

- Tonight, I called President Zardari, and my team has also spoken with their Pakistani counterparts.

- These efforts weigh on me every time I, as Commander-in-Chief, have to sign a letter to a family that has lost a loved one, or look into the eyes of a service member who’s been gravely wounded.

- And tonight, let us think back to the sense of unity that prevailed on 9/11. I know that it has, at times, frayed.

*

Bush / "I" ( I counted 4 occurrences )

- And this afternoon, I have a message for the Iraqi people: You will not have to fear the rule of Saddam Hussein ever again.

- Today, on behalf of the nation, I thank the members of our Armed Forces and I congratulate 'em.

- I also have a message for all Americans: The capture of Saddam Hussein does not mean the end of violence in Iraq.

*

Obama's speech contained so many "we's" I gave up counting them. Here's one section that contains numerous "we's":

On September 11, 2001, in our time of grief, the American people came together. We offered our neighbors a hand, and we offered the wounded our blood. We reaffirmed our ties to each other, and our love of community and country. On that day, no matter where we came from, what God we prayed to, or what race or ethnicity we were, we were united as one American family.

We were also united in our resolve to protect our nation and to bring those who committed this vicious attack to justice. We quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda -- an organization headed by Osama bin Laden, which had openly declared war on the United States and was committed to killing innocents in our country and around the globe. And so we went to war against al Qaeda to protect our citizens, our friends, and our allies.

Over the last 10 years, thanks to the tireless and heroic work of our military and our counterterrorism professionals, we've made great strides in that effort. We've disrupted terrorist attacks and strengthened our homeland defense. In Afghanistan, we removed the Taliban government, which had given bin Laden and al Qaeda safe haven and support. And around the globe, we worked with our friends and allies to capture or kill scores of al Qaeda terrorists, including several who were a part of the 9/11 plot.

*

Bush / "we" ( 2 total )

We still face terrorists who would rather go on killing the innocent than accept the rise of liberty in the heart of the Middle East.

We've come to this moment through patience and resolve and focused action.
Mulva,
Send your last post to your father. I am sure he'll want to have the record set straight so he can send an mass email.
Re: Wolf Blitzer doesn't challenge a Republican liar on a demonstrable falsehood.
April 27, 2012 09:33PM
Obama's speech (as the GOPers receiving the viral email imagine it...)

"I, President Barack Obama - of Kenyan birth and Socialist politics - have personally, without the help of anyone - killed Osama bin Laden. The whole episode started when I realized that the way things were going, no one else would ever find him. So I ordered Seal Team 6 to take me to Pakistan where I started my personal search for the terrorist leader. I spent hours interrogating Pakistanis on street corners until I finally found someone who told me where bin Laden was hiding. It was then that I went to his house and knocked on his door. When nobody answered I kicked it in and announced loudly to anyone within shouting distance that I, Barack Obama - leader of the free (evolving Socialist) world was here to kill Osama bin Laden - or possibly work out some kind of suitable surrender where maybe he does a little community service for his crime - and he better get his bearded ass down here quick before I come find him. When his wife tried to give me some lip, I apologized profusely for America in Urdu before gently pushing her aside and moving deeper into the (alleged) terrorist's lair. One of bin Laden's many children came running out of a bedroom - scared and crying. Taking the young boy aside, I knelt beside him, pulled out my pocket Koran and read some holy scripture to calm him. Afterwards, I headed upstairs where bin Laden waited - deeply engrossed in a porno film - Sultans of Slut. After Osama and I shared a personal joke concerning muslim women's breasts, I proceeded to ask him politiely if he were willing to allow me to arrest him and take him back to the United States where he would receive a fair trial in front of an activist judge and a very liberal NY jury. Osama proclaimed that "America would never take him alive!" I cautioned him - in a much gentler and less aggressive tone... "If you do not surrender, I will be forced to take lethal action against you." Again Mr. bin Laden refused. I pleaded for him to come to his senses... "Please, Mr. bin Laden, think for a moment... If you do not allow me to take you into custody, I must shoot you right where you stand." I quickly said a silent prayer... "Please Allah... do not make me kill a fellow muslim..." But alas - Osama bin Laden stood firm and resolute. I secretly admired his courage and commitment to his cause, but reluctantly I pulled out the Tippman A-5 from my backpack and aimed it at his turban. Closing my eyes - squeezing out a single tear of regret - I pulled the trigger - killing Osama bin Laden. A deep sense of loss encompassed me standing over his dead body. I knelt beside the fallen leader and said a brief prayer. I then gathered myself and Seal Team 6 together to return to the United States of America (tipping my hat to Kenya as we flew over in Air Force One) where I reported back to the Socialist freedom-loving American citizens that I - Barack Obama - had singlehandedly killed Osama bin Laden.

Most humbly yours...

President Barack Hussein Obama.
Re: Wolf Blitzer doesn't challenge a Republican liar on a demonstrable falsehood.
April 27, 2012 10:14PM
LOL, Indy! grinning smiley

Send your last post to your father. I am sure he'll want to have the record set straight so he can send an mass email. - Curt

I'll certainly be ready the next time he resends it like he always eventually does. The thing is, though, none of the debunkings I've sent him over the last decade seem to have changed his perspective.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/27/2012 10:14PM by Mulva.
Re: Wolf Blitzer doesn't challenge a Republican liar on a demonstrable falsehood.
April 27, 2012 10:39PM
Thanks Mulva.

My dad quit sending me stuff because I always replied with corrected copy and links sourcing my info. Now I have to get it from my little brother who forwards all his stuff to me.
Re: Wolf Blitzer doesn't challenge a Republican liar on a demonstrable falsehood.
April 27, 2012 11:03PM
winking smiley

I have a similar situation. One of my older brothers -- who's probably farther to the right than anyone on the planet -- took me off his mailing list in '03 because I was the only one in the family who took him on. I suspect that many of the e-mails I receive from my dad originated with my brother.
Re: Wolf Blitzer doesn't challenge a Republican liar on a demonstrable falsehood.
April 28, 2012 04:05AM
Wolf Blitzer doesn't have the balls to challenge a 12 year old girl if she claimed she was secretly the Tooth Fairy.


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