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The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL

Posted by Robert . 
The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 03:27AM
Lyndon LaRouche is running for president again, just like Ron Paul. He's a credible, real candidate just like Ron Paul.

But the liberal/conservative/elitist/corportate media keep ignoring him.

Why does Ron Paul get all this media attention but everybody ignores LaRouche.

It's just not fair, darnit!
Anonymous User
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 03:38AM
What are his poll numbers? Is he running as a Rub?

I agree that the MSM doesn't cover third party candidates and they should.

But let me know when LaRouche takes second place in a Republican primary.
Anonymous User
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 03:46AM
Cascade Wrote:
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> But let me know when LaRouche takes second place
> in a Republican primary.


Cascade,
LaRouche has been running as a Democratic candidate for president for decades. Given the lack of competition this year, he's probably in second place to Obama. Not that the main stream media will report that. It's a blackout.
Anonymous User
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 04:05AM
He's not running.

In fact it seems that Obama's only competition is a few guys who can only make the ballot is a couple states.
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 06:55AM
crosslinking to another thread

if you want to know about the british empire/bank of england/crown and their influence, LL is the man

that's his expertise

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Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 02:25PM
Cascade Wrote:
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> He's not running.
>
> In fact it seems that Obama's only competition is
> a few guys who can only make the ballot is a
> couple states.

Contrast that to Republicans that are getting a pass, in order to run in your states
despite not qualifying in time.
Anonymous User
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 07:06PM
They're not getting a pass. The judge threw out their case stating "They played the game and lost, and now they want to change the rules"

Only Romney and Ron Paul are on the Virginia ballot.
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 07:11PM
Excellent. And since Virginia trended blue in the last election, a showdown between Romney and Paul should allow us to guage his support.

If Romney crushes Paul in the Virginia primary, will you please accept that he is merely a fringe candidate with no widespread support?

Ron Paul claims to believe that free markets should be left alone. Capitalism is a rational system and should be left alone. If that is the case, he has nothing to complain about. By his ownh reasoning, the media is a capitalist system and is acting rationally. Either he deserves to be ignored, or everything he believes about capitalism is wrong.
Anonymous User
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 07:19PM
Robert. I'll accept that with a caveat.

If Romney crushes Paul in Virginia and Paul doesn't do well in many other states I'll throw in the towel and place my support behind Stephen Colbert.

And as for your second point, Paul has pointed out numerous times that what we have is NOT capitalism but corporatism.
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 07:23PM
The difference between capitalism and corporatism being... ?

Not sure it matters since I suspect the "capitalist" media (outside the Ron Paul newsletter) is probably no more supportive of his campaign than the so-called corporate media.
Anonymous User
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 07:30PM
Here's a decent read about the differences and explanation of corporatism.
[www.sjsu.edu]
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 07:41PM
In a nutshell, what's the difference?
Anonymous User
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 07:50PM
It's hard to put that into a single sentence without glossing over many things but I'll try.

Corporatism is collectivist, Capitalism is individualist.

Now that is very, very simplistic and doesn't get into the effects of corporatism on government, business, famlies, economies, etc. The issues of collective bargaining, manipulation of laws and control over sections of society do not enter into such a simplistic and purist contrast.

Since this thread is addressing Ron Paul, let's let him talk about the issue:

"Corporatism is a system where businesses are nominally in private hands, but are in fact controlled by the government. In a corporatist state, government officials often act in collusion with their favored business interests to design polices that give those interests a monopoly position, to the detriment of both competitors and consumers.

"A careful examination of the policies pursued by the Obama administration and his allies in Congress shows that their agenda is corporatist. For example, the health care bill that recently passed does not establish a Canadian-style government-run single-payer health care system. Instead, it relies on mandates forcing every American to purchase private health insurance or pay a fine. It also includes subsidies for low-income Americans and government-run health care “exchanges.” Contrary to the claims of the proponents of the health care bill, large insurance and pharmaceutical companies were enthusiastic supporters of many provisions of this legislation because they knew in the end their bottom lines would be enriched by Obamacare.

"Similarly, Obama's “cap-and-trade” legislation provides subsidies and specials privileges to large businesses that engage in “carbon trading.” This is why large corporations, such as General Electric support cap-and-trade.

"To call the President a corporatist is not to soft-pedal criticism of his administration. It is merely a more accurate description of the President's agenda.

"When he is a called a socialist, the President and his defenders can easily deflect that charge by pointing out that the historical meaning of socialism is government ownership of industry; under the President's policies, industry remains in nominally private hands. Using the more accurate term — corporatism — forces the President to defend his policies that increase government control of private industries and expand de facto subsidies to big businesses. This also promotes the understanding that though the current system may not be pure socialism, neither is it free-market since government controls the private sector through taxes, regulations, and subsidies, and has done so for decades."
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 07:56PM
I think it's the other way around; corporatism is when corporations control the government. The result is the corporate state, which is what we have.
Anonymous User
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 07:59PM
I think it could be said both ways at this point. There seems to be little difference between the actions of the individuals within the two areas.

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
Benito Mussolini
Anonymous User
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 08:15PM
One has only to look at the Monsanto/Federal government ties to see how blurry the line really is.

[www.redicecreations.com]

[www.naturalnews.com]

[www.ethicalinvesting.com]

Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 08:54PM
Right. But that didn't happen because our government controlled Monsanto. Our elected representatives allowed corporations like Monsanto into our political and legislative processes in return for political donations so they could get elected and re-elected, a classic quid pro quo. And now those corporations control the entire process.
Anonymous User
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 09:05PM
True. But obviously there are some people in government controlling the process that benefits the corporations. Like the wall street placements, goldman, the MIC, etc.

I think the lines are so blurred these days as to be pretty much the same thing.
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 09:14PM
But obviously there are some people in government controlling the process that benefits the corporations. - Cas

at behest of those very corporations. Corporations control the political process by buying politicians in order to benefit themselves.
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
January 14, 2012 10:07PM
precisely why we need to slash the size......and thus the power of the district

more district = more corporate power

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Anonymous User
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
March 31, 2012 02:05AM
I think it's appropriate since the point was made before to mention the referenced work of EIR Magazine. The research has been done, and is in published form already. Lyndon Larouche is an expert on "Empire" he knows his history very well, and does a good job singling out "The City" through a very clearly documented evolutionary process. From Greece and the it's breakup, to the Cult of Mithra and the founding of the Roman Empire on the Isle of Capri, to Venice which invaded Europe as the Crusader System thus came a central bank in the Netherlands, and then The Bank of England. And the City inside of the City the few thousand mile stretch known as the Crown City, the Crown apparatus the Club of the Isles, the Privy Counsel and yes it's a conspiracy that narrows down to a few people, a few bloodlines, who trace their lineage openly to that evolution of the "Gods among men"

But to sum up Capitalism it is that, because it's a form of monetarism. The "Capitalist" West is the biggest investor in communism, socialism, and fascism or corporatism whatever you want to call it. It was the capitalist class which funded the bankrupted Nazi Party to put Hitler in power, it's what funded the Communist Revolution out of 120 Wall Street... It's not about an ideology per say, it's the system of "Monetarism" itself which is inherently usurious. The control of money is corrupted no matter what you call it trough out history. The Revolution in America was a war against that ideology; starting with the paper script in the Mass. Bay Colony known as the "Pine Tree Schilling".

It was a system of public credit, not driven by the ideology that the owners of a money system control the money, the credit, and the entirety of the economy. It was a means for fostering production, and to industrialize what would have otherwise been a slave labor colony under the repression of that "New Venetian Party" William of Orange, and The British East India Company. The United States of America wasn't founded as a capitalist country, but was rather taken over by it from the influence of Wall Street. It would be safe to say the philosophy of "America" was founded upon the dirigisme ideology followed by the founding fathers such as Franklin, and their collaboration politically throughout Europe.

What is trying to be said is that The Austrian School of "free market economics" is a feudal system employed by the Hapsburg Empire. Free market capitalism doesn't exist, it's an ideology that sounds pure, but is just simply idealistic. A gold standard is also what has always caused deflationary depressions, and only favors the very wealthy ruling class anyway, as they are the gold traders, and hoarders of many other natural resources via cartels as well.

Capitalism is a myth, which will cloak it's name in anything, and no matter what you call it, it's still monetarism. Money systems have just always been corrupted throughout history no matter how you look at it. Show me a Utopian strictly capitalist, socialist, or communist state without severe injustice perpetrated upon its people... As of now it can't be done, because the world is under control of monetarism, and the ideologies are be driven by the ruling class, call it whatever you want, it's still nothing but that "gods among men" principle that applies no matter what a country claims it's primary financial ideology. Fact of the globe is gripped by a struggle of power by a small group of people who have assembled into a vast network and apparatus to exert power over resources, the control of money, determining how much money can be put back into the economy outside of their control.

The simple fact of the matter is money should never be owned by anyone, but rather a metric for the growth of the economy. Benjamin Franklin made this case in his published reports advocating a paper script akin to the Mass. Bay Colony. Credit should be public if it's a gov't for by and of the people. Anything measured in terms of "monetary" values or by market determination is boxing in an economy, and inherently has to lead to a power grab, accumulation of wealth, of greed, lust, and domination. Call it whatever you want, money is the root of all evil and not an "ideal" system of economy if it's one of the current popular conceptions have it be Socialism, Communism or Capitalism. I think we can all agree no one thinks "fascism" is ideal in any way shape or form...

It's not a black and white argument over the size of the state, or the influence of the market to determine anything outside of the government. Constitutionalism in the vein of Ron Paul baffles me to this day when he says the Markets are more reliable than the government itself, and brings fourth that debate. The constitution clearly states that the Government, the congress should control all money in article 1 section 8. Congress is the most directly responsible branch of government to the people... It was a government for of, and by the people. According to Ron Paul government is just inherently bad, and money powers, and a market driven economies are more natural and should be "free" to determine the future than an assembly of people composing a government. It's just flawed logic to say that, and to just say slashing the size of a state will cure it of it's ills, and sort things out. Asking the market to do that, is asking a pack of speculators and criminals to stop doing what they've done so well through history. That authority itself should be taken away from the marketeers, the markets and what powers come with it by a government of people taking action, and banning illegal exotic financial instruments, which now dominate the world economy the tune of an estimated few quadrillion dollars.

The alphabet soup of financial instruments needs to be banned, and detached from the federal budget due to their illegitimacy before any budget is cut like Ron Paul proposes to do, and that will take government intervention! That would involve stepping in and intervening against the sacred free market that should exist. Why is he talking about cutting a federal budget, to cover a debt when all the debt is criminal in the first place? All of it is illegitimate gambling debt, based on the model which landed Michael Milken in jail for 10 years. Alan Greenspan made it legal and turned the global economy into that model. It's not free market capitalism for sure... but that's because it just simply doesn't exist and never could... it's a myth of a self sustaining model, that "just is" or "could be" based on what would sound like logical assumptions, but fail a litmus test of historical reality.



Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 03/31/2012 03:00AM by josephaiorio.
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
April 01, 2012 12:06AM
Robert. writes,

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Lyndon LaRouche is running for president again, just like Ron Paul. He's a credible, real candidate just like Ron Paul.

The first sentience is true, the second is-- wtf?. Ron Paul is a barely credible candidate, Lyndon LaRouche was a lunatic twenty five years ago when he actually registered on the public radar.

Oh, was that meant as a satirical post aimed at Ron Paul? Nevermind.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/01/2012 12:36AM by linc.
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
April 01, 2012 02:14AM
IIs Curt posting as "Anonymous User" again?
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
April 01, 2012 08:13AM
The media blackout of Lyndon Larouche is real. He's a Simpsons joke, an SNL skit, and a real black sheep. The mention of his name is taboo in many ways, and lands you the label of "Conspiracy theorist". He's blunt, and a lot of people are rubbed the wrong way by him at first impression. But the fact of the matter is that the blackout is real, and when it does get out he's around in high level circles people line up to get a chance to talk to him. He really is an interesting man, and clearly an independent thinker. I don't agree with everything he says verbatim, but when they get into science, and out of the realm of politics, they are relevant.

Just take a look at Russia offering collaboration with the "Strategic Defense of Earth" to avoid war policy. Look what Russia is planning to do by expanding their military arsenal to include weapons based on newly discovered universal principles as policy.

Lyndon Larouche serves as a consultant on an international level, is a Sr. Statesman and Economist who just happens to live in the heart of the Military Industrial Complex in Leesburg Virginia (some of the most expensive real estate in the country) He's obviously taken care, and it's quite obvious they have serious diplomatic sources, EIR is always ALWAYS in the White House with press passes.

The work they do to propose African, and Middle Eastern infrastructure development is just as interesting as the science. They cover a broad area of topics, a lot of history as an organization, and though I don't always agree verbatim; they are an interesting group of people in general.

Some of the people around him are just the most intelligent people you can listen to speak, it's not just Lyndon Larouche...

Harley Schlanger is a very well spoken individual, with an amazing knowledge of the Civil Rights movement, born into a family of it.

Amelia Boynton Robinson collaborated with both Martin Luther King and Lyndon Larouche... and was a chairwoman of his Schiller institute for a good period of time.

Like the guy or think he's an absolute jerk, I think they're an organization that should be taken more seriously by people who count them out of things.

Who cares if they're "relevant in popular opinion"??... they're relevant in tightly knit circles around the world spanning Africa, Asia, Latin America, Europe, Australia

And as an organization all they're promoting is monetary reform, an end to geopolitical wars, and infrastructure development to uplift 3rd world countries.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/01/2012 08:17AM by josephaiorio.
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
April 01, 2012 07:42PM
Let me see if I understand this correctly - because he's "interesting" we shouldn't care that he's a nut?
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
April 01, 2012 08:35PM
What is so completely nuts about being anti-war, anti-imperialism, trying to bring nations together in development collaboration, proposing the uplifting of other nations via development, and pushing for full funding of the space program, which in the past put 10 dollars into the economy for every dollar spent, as well as spinning off some of the highest technologies for everyday, and medical use as well?


They are a little weird and eccentric, stringent in their beliefs, but that is what the organization stands for as a whole.


The main platform they're advocating is a return to Glass-Steagall, and just for the record it is also being put on the table by Tremonti the finance minister of Italy, it has been one of the main demands though drowned out a bit from some more well informed people in the Occupy Movement, it was proposed by Congresswoman Marci Kaptur from Toledo Ohio, as well as Senator Maria Cantwell from Washington State, and was the main calling cry of the Spanish Indignatos movement. It's a global discussion which has even led to the formation of the Roosevelt 2012 collective movement in France who no other than Franklin Roosevelt's grandson Curtis is a member of.

It's not exactly like their pushing for something no one has every heard of, or has no relevance to todays political climate. In fact they've been saying it from the onset of the stock market debacle in 2007...

The list actually goes on and on... from predicting 9/11, and fully investigating it to the point where the information they've put out about the omission of the Saudi Royal Family's involvement from the 9/11 commission has just hit the mainstream news!

And everyone calls him crazy when he says the Queen is involved in international drug trafficking... THAT TOO JUST HIT THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA!

I guess someone could look crazy to a lot of people if they're in the know of whats going on globally, because truth really is stranger than fiction many time.

People go nuts when he talks about "The British monetary Empire" but I think the uprisings in the Middle East where you see the burning of the British Flag in the Middle East are a bit more aware of multinational corporations like Royal Dutch Shell, and British Petroleum coming in after the fog of war to pillage the resources in those nations more than any comfortable American who is actually the beneficiary of globalization and colonialism, since we are a consumer economy, who enjoys a higher standard of living than most.



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Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
April 01, 2012 09:33PM
LaRouche claims the Queen is involved in the international drug trade (or according to some accounts - that she is the head of an international drug cartel) - either one is quite different than the news that has now "HIT THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA" - which is the Queen's BANK is involved in MONEY LAUNDERING drug profits. Two totally different ideas. One totally insane (LaRouche's) - the other quite common in the banking community worldwide (not just Great Britain).

LaRouche also said the OKC bombing was a first strike by the British to retake America...

He called Walter Mondale a Soviet agent in 1984. To which SNL created a skit to mock him...

He claimed AIDs was created by the "Soviet war machine"....

He's been arrested and jailed for scamming old folks out of their money much like Jim and Tammy Faye Baker...

Yada, yada and on and on. Does that mean all his ideas are kooky? No. Anybody can see Glass Steagall needs to be reinstated - that doesn't mean we need to get behind the nuttiest guy who makes that claim.

Sorry... no sale, Mr. LaRouche Operative.
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
April 02, 2012 01:16AM
The "media blackout" is real.
Lyndon LaRouche is NOT.


Mac
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
April 02, 2012 01:47AM
9/11 was perpetrated by the British Monarchy, the Saudi Monarchy (Which is now in the mainstream news), and stems from weapons contract deals made within the "Military Industrial Complex" BAE Systems deal with the Monarchy known as "The Dove", and Saudi Arabia invested into terrorism with supplying the Taliban ideology, while getting military kickbacks, as well as supplying the means for opium production through terrorism itself. The entire Neo-Con party runs it's intelligence out of the Henry Jackson Society who has a book titled "The British Century"

It's not just great Britain, but it is the belly of the beast of Empire, to deny that you live in an Anglo-Western dominated world is your own fault, not the insanity of another person.


The United States, Europe, and NATO is the apparatus of world Government, set into motion many years ago, don't deny it. NATO is now the openly stated "first responders of the world" to fight that war on "terror" which is nothing more than a bunch of backroom deals made by some very powerful people in these countries. And yes it is the bloodline Monarchy which has inbred for centuries, and intermarried on top of it all among themselves as groups. It's secret societies with secret oaths as JFK said in one of his last speeches...

I believe they're meeting in Israel this year for Bilderberg? Yes the meetings set into motion by the Dutch Monarchs who backed Hitler... those guys!

And I'm not even promoting Larouche, or stating an opinion! I'm stating factual facts, documented and confirmed by multiple sources.

Scam people out of money? The federal Government raided Lyndon Larouche with guns on him, it wasn't a mere tax fraud case. The entire case was a fraud. I believe they were also found not guilty the first time, before facing a 2nd federal court known for it's awfully quick decisions for the second time, which was rigged from the start. Ramsey Clark said it was the biggest abuse of power he has ever seen, and that was nothing more than a severe injustice.




You cant say the man is completely insane, though he is a bit of a crank in his own right. But he did speak before the Hague, The Dialogue of Civilizations in Rhodes Greece, and is a respected member of the international community. People make him to be an evil person of sorts, I don't agree with things past, or said things past per say...

I bet you they don't either, as time has gone on. I think they have matured, and he's a man at the end of the road, who has some interesting things to say, though he's very opinionated. And some really good things too, and I know a lot of those guys personally and they are a well intending group of people in their own perhaps bizarre way.


Fact of the matter is Larouchepac is one of the best intelligence services along with EIR right now. Sr. staff members of the State Department, and military intelligence services even say so...
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
April 02, 2012 05:14AM
You have it all wrong. It was not the British Monarchy but Canada. We are going to take all of North America and integrate you into our Commie Healthcare system.

At the Scopes Monkey Trial, Clarence Darrow gave a brilliant speech, but the cynical journalist H.L. Mencken told him "You may as well have shouted it up a waterspout in Outer Mongolia for all the effect it will have on your listeners ..

Ditto here.
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
April 02, 2012 05:56AM
I'm practicing God Save the Queen as we speak.
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
April 02, 2012 07:29AM
Queen Elizabeth does own 2,467 million acres in Canada, and the PM is her "representative" according to Reuters!
Re: The media blackout of Lyndon LaRouche is REAL
April 02, 2012 12:06PM
I insist that joseph show us his long form birth certificate.


Mac
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