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Gonzo Porn

Posted by PowerToThePeople 
Gonzo Porn
February 07, 2010 03:50AM
"When legal and social mores first changed and porn went mainstream in the 1970s, there was a standard sexual script, which included oral and vaginal sex, with anal sex relatively rare, ending with the 'money' or 'come' shot, where the man ejaculated onto the body of the woman," Robert Jensen, the author of Getting Off: Pornography and the End of Masculinity, tells me over breakfast one Saturday at my home in Princeton. "But once there were thousands of porn films on the market, the porn industry had to expand that script to expand profits. It had to find new emotional thrills. It could have explored intimacy, love, the connection between two people, but this was not what appealed to the largely male audience. Instead, the industry focused on greater male control and cruelty. This started in the 1980s, with anal sex as a way for men to dominate women. It has descended to multiple penetrations, double anals, gagging, and other forms of physical and psychological degredation."

"What does it say about our culture that cruelty is so easy to market?" Jensen asks. "What is the difference between glorifying violence in war and glorifying the violence of sexual domination? I think that the reason porn is so difficult for so many people to discuss is not that it is about sex -- our culture is saturated in sex. The reason it is difficult is that porn exposes something very uncomfortable about us. We accept a culture flooded with images of women who are sexual commodities. Increasingly, women in pornography are not people having sex, but bodies upon which sexual activities of increasing cruelty are played out. And many men -- maybe a majority of men -- like it." [...]

Women, porn asserts, whether they know it or not, are objects. They are whores. These whores deserve to be dominated and abused. And once men have had their way with them, these whores are to be discarded. Porn glorifies the cruelty and domination of sexual exploitation in the same way that popular culture, as Jensen points out, glorifies the domination and cruelty of war. It is the same disease. It is the belief that "because I have the ability to use force and control to make others do as I please, I have a right to use this force and control." It is the disease of corporate and imperial power. It extinguishes the sacred and the human to worship power, control, force, and pain. It replaces empathy, eros, and compassion with the illusion that we are gods. Porn is the glittering façade, like the casinos and resorts of Las Vegas, like the rest of the fantasy that is America, of a culture seduced by death.

- Chris Hedges, from Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle

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"When they say there’s not enough money, they mean there’s not enough money for YOU." - Jill Stein, Green Party presidential nominee.
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 07, 2010 10:30AM
[video.google.ca]#

48:00-54:00

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Re: Gonzo Porn
February 07, 2010 08:52PM
WTF? Where the hell do you find these things K?
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 07, 2010 09:15PM
Our computer is having trouble playing it. From the little I saw, I don't understand what the video has to do with gonzo porn.

Okay, I was able to view that segment. There were some examples of treating women like objects - disturbing, but mild by today's standards.



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Re: Gonzo Porn
February 07, 2010 09:38PM
LoL Cascade, I just naturally gravitate towards bizarre films.

If you rent holy mountain on dvd not this grainy google video sh^t and watch it (stoned optional), I doubt you'll be disappointed.




PTTP: Think of 48:00-54:00 as a prophetic (1972) vision of capitalism and sex as the driver of the creation of self-replicating machine entities.

It was also in keeping with your article, because it satirized excess (represented by Jupiter) of the CEO who has sex with 1000 women a week and satirizes the absurd New York art scene centered around power and churning out mediocre/overvalued art.

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Re: Gonzo Porn
February 07, 2010 11:30PM
Since gonzo porn is being presented as a "problem", what's the solution? Return to the days of censorship? Or changing men's attitudes towoard sex? And how to do that? Actually, the Bush administration set into motion many prosecutions of so-called "abusive" porn, and several big producers have gone to prison and forfeited their life savings. But nothing's really changed in porn. Women in porn are not victims, but they do tend to be thrill seekers with an appetite for adventure taking advantage of opportunites. My only concern is that sex will become a mere spectator sport, like football, with few actual participants.
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 08, 2010 12:22AM
My only concern is that sex will become a mere spectator sport, like football, with few actual participants. - linc

That's really your "only concern", linc? You're really "concerned" about that? You really foresee that happening?



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Re: Gonzo Porn
February 08, 2010 01:03AM
Jan Meza worked as a porn actress in a genre known as "Big Beautiful Women" films. She made about forty movies and was filmed on some twenty Web sites. She left the industry addicted to painkillers, drinking heavily, and on the verge of a nervous breakdown. She is currently married and is finishing her doctorate in psychology at the University of Texas at Austin.

"The more society loses touch with reality, especially in relationships, the more people do not know how it is supposed to be, how to react with other people, the more they turn to porn," she says. "People look at this fantasy and believe it should be their reality. They retreat further and further into their illusion because porn can never be real. It does not work in real life. Porn is a sickness."

Jersey Jaxin, as she was known in the industry, walked away from porn. "Guys punching you in the face. You have semen.... Twenty or thirty guys all over your face, in your eyes," she remembers. "You get ripped. Your insides can come out of you. It's never-ending. You are viewed as an object, not as a human with a spirit. People don't care. People do drugs because they can't deal with the way they're being treated." She estimates that the number of women who use drugs before they film are "75 percent and rising. Have to numb themselves.... There are specific doctors in the industry, if you go in for a common cold, they'll give you Vicodin, Viagra, anything you want, because all they care about is money. You are a number. You're bruised. You have black eyes. You're ripped. You're torn. You have your insides coming out of you. It's not pretty and foofoo on set. You get hurt."

"The main thing going around now is crystal meth, cocaine, and heroin," Meza says. "You have to numb yourself to go on set. The more you work, the more you have to numb yourself. The more you become addicted, the more your personal life is nothing but drugs.... Your whole life becomes nothing but porn. I was a drinker. I drank a lot. Vodka was my drug. Vodka was my numbing toy. Before sets, after sets, and if it was a set where people didn't care, they'd have it there waiting."

"You may see a forty-five-minute set that took us thirteen hours.... We're ripped, we're tired, we're sore, we're bleeding, we're cut up, we have dried semen all over our faces from numerous guys, and we can't wash it off because they want to take pictures. You have to have this stuff all over you, and they're telling you, 'Hold it!'" Meza says.

"You can say anything you want [e.g., 'Stop'], and they don't listen," she says. "There's the ultimate thing where you squeeze their leg to ease up, and most of them don't care. They have another scene to go to. It's all about the money. They've forgotten who they are, and they don't care who they're hurting."

"You have no soul in the porn industry,"she adds.
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 08, 2010 01:11AM
Speaking of football... I was going to ask PTTP: When you say that the modern porn industry is all about male spectator based domination. How can you be a football fan at the same time?

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Re: Gonzo Porn
February 08, 2010 01:13AM
Because football players aren't out there taking part in and promoting the domination of women for personal pleasure.
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 08, 2010 01:16AM
So its not ok if they show the domination of women for pleasure, but its ok if they show the domination of men for pleasure?

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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

President Eisenhower
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 08, 2010 01:22AM
It's a sport, Kai. With your line of reasoning, all sports are wrong.

There is no "domination" of anyone in football or any other sport. It's athletes competing on an equal footing.



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Re: Gonzo Porn
February 08, 2010 11:24PM
Ok, I was kinda joking about football. It is about domination at some level as are many sports, but I'll let that go. George Carlin did a hilarious bit about why Football is an American sport, its all about taking other people's territory.

I'll address the actual thread topic: What the article discusses is a combination of capitalism and the world's oldest profession. Porn is prostitution. Its a market which exists and will probably as long as humankind is around exist to some extent. However modern capitalism, which is based on exploitation, domination and inequality has taken prostitution to whole new and sometimes disturbing levels.

What can be done to mitigate that? A more egalitarian social system and also the legalization of prostitution, since it offers protective umbrellas and help for sex workers in both the porn and prostitution fields.

Other than that there isn't much that can be done. If the system is egalitarian, which it currently isn't, then if a person enters such a field its no longer an issue of looking for the next meal as sadly many of those in these professions are, but rather a personal choice, which if there is a consenting adult of their own volition like sports cannot be called domination or exploitation.

Sex slavery is a result of unbridled capitalism. This is obvious in Eastern Europe where after the fall of communism, it has become a very serious problem, with little in the way of law enforcement to prevent it.

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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

President Eisenhower
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 08, 2010 11:28PM
Not making any excuses for porn, but it is a legal, regulated industry in the United States. So far as the anecdotes above, I wouldn't take either of those stories as the Gospel According to Porn anymore than I would take Jenna Jameson's story of starting with nothing and becoming a multi-millionaire CEO of a porn enterprise as the final word on the business. I sympathize with the woman noted above, but I also have to ask a couple questions about her allegations. For instance...

"You have to numb yourself to go on set. The more you work, the more you have to numb yourself. The more you become addicted, the more your personal life is nothing but drugs...."

Then again... according to her OWN estimate...

"She estimates that the number of women who use drugs before they film are 75 percent and rising."

Even if we take that number as accurate - that means 25% of the people somehow manage without the drugs or alcohol. What about this one...

""You can say anything you want [e.g., 'Stop'], and they don't listen," she says"

How about if you don't show up on the set, period? How about if you remove yourself from the industry altogether? It's not slavery - it's an occupation. Maybe it's a dirty occupation - but it's still a voluntary occupation in most cases.
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 08, 2010 11:37PM
"How about if you don't show up on the set, period? How about if you remove yourself from the industry altogether? It's not slavery - it's an occupation. Maybe it's a dirty occupation - but it's still a voluntary occupation in most cases. "

Not if you're looking for the next meal, which is often the case.

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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

President Eisenhower
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 08, 2010 11:55PM
You've been watching too many Mod Squad reruns. This woman obviously found a way out of the business*. There are a lot of stories out there - I wouldn't accept any one person's story as the final word. The point being generalizing any subject matter is usually the wrong route to travel if you want to get to the truth.




*Or maybe not. It's my belief that usually when someone writes a tell-all about their noxious "past" experiences with drugs, it usually means they're not really done abusing drugs and will go back to it again.
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 12:09AM
Never heard of Mod Squad. I saw a good documentary about prostitution in East Vancouver a couple years ago and also a documentary called FIX: Tales of an Addicted city which also talked about the situation in Van. I've posted before that East Hastings Street in Vancouver is one of the worst places to live on the planet. You'd probably be much better to be living in Haiti after the Earthquake right now.

I won't go for stereotypes, or generalizations, but there is a significant portion of sex workers who are looking for the next meal and don't want to be there. Don't ask me for percentages, because I have no idea, but it is something that arises from inequality and is similar to homelessness, which is another problem pushed aside for wars and wallstreet.

Other than that, and sex trafficking. The porn industry and prostitution is the person's own choice.

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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

President Eisenhower
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 12:15AM
Indy!, that may well be. But I started this topic, not to promote the idea that something should be done to control or censor it, but as further evidence that our culture is in a death spiral.

However modern capitalism, which is based on exploitation, domination and inequality has taken prostitution to whole new and sometimes disturbing levels. - Kairos

Yeah - that's closer.

The more we sever ourselves from a literate, print-based world -- a world of complexity and nuance, a world of ideas -- for one informed by comforting, reassuring images, fantasies, slogans, and a celebration of violence, the more we implode. We ask, like the wrestling fans or those who confuse love with pornography, to be fed lies. We demand lies. The skillfully manufactured images and slogans that flood the airwaves and infect our political discourse mask reality. And we do not protest. The lonely Cassandras who speak the truth about our misguided imperial wars, the global economic meltdown, and the imminent danger of multiple pollutions that are destroying the ecosystem that sustains the human species, are drowned out by arenas full of fans chanting "Slut! Slut! Slut!" or television audiences shouting "Jer-ry! Jer-ry! Jer-ry!" The worse reality becomes, the less a beleaguered population wants to hear about it and the more it distracts itself with squalid pseudo-events of celebrity breakdowns, gossip, and trivia. These are the debauched revels of a dying culture. - Chris Hedges.
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 12:32AM
"Indy!, that may well be. But I started this topic, not to promote the idea that something should be done to control or censor it, but as further evidence that our culture is in a death spiral."

I wouldn't get all doom and gloom on this one, its nothing new. There is a brothel in Pompeii that shows the same stuff described in the article which is drawn on the walls in explicit detail and then there is of course the Naples Secret Museum. The moral fall of humankind legend which has particular vogue in the present has been around forever. In the case of Pompeii moralists actually claimed for a long time that it was a case of Sodom and Gamorrah.

"The more we sever ourselves from a literate, print-based world -- a world of complexity and nuance, a world of ideas."

Don't think literacy is all that different. The Library of Celcus at the Greco-Roman site of Ephesus had a secret passage connecting the library under the street to the brothel accross the street so that the HHH's of Ephesus could have a convenient lunch-time score unnoticed.


As for the Roman equivalent of Jerry et all, manufactured exploitation and violence that kept the Roman citizenry in line at the Colliseum, that worked for quite a long time and has a cult following on Super Bowl Sunday.

Speaking of which the word "fornication," comes from the Latin Forne (arches), because prostitutes used to work under the arches at the Colliseum.

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Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 12:44AM
I wouldn't get all doom and gloom on this one, its nothing new. - Kai

Actually the pervasiveness of gonzo porn throughout our media (I'm not talking about the softer, non-violent porn that preceded it) is a phenomenon that has just come into prominence within our culture in the last few decades.
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 12:45AM
Really or has it just been more exposed in recent decades?

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President Eisenhower
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 01:09AM
See my lead post.

If you're asking how much gonzo porn was actually practiced privately before it was popularized in gonzo porn flicks, I don't know. But I don't think it reflects what normally happens in bed between consenting adults.

Somehow, citing that gonzo porn was also popularized in certain ancient cultures that have gone by the wayside isn't very comforting.
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 01:18AM
Didn't the Japanese practice Gokkun at Nanjing?

I really don't know either if this is any new phenomenon, I'm just skeptical when I hear that any human behaviour arises over night. There was similar stuff going on at Pompeii and according to the Bible in the Levant pre-pompeii. The name Europe comes from a bull shagging a Phoenician princess.

So if anything has changed its merely the medium and its message which probably exposes this stuff on a mass scale.

Speaking of which ever seen the film The Quest for Fire?

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President Eisenhower
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 01:40AM
I guess I can't understand why anyone would get off sexually watching sexual domination and violence being carried out on someone else, and I agree with Hedges that it's a symptom of an increasingly debased culture and functions as a methaphor for the American dream of world domination.



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Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 02:10AM
Quote:
I guess I can't understand why anyone would get off sexually watching sexual domination and violence being carried out on someone else


Oh, you understand it all right, everybody does-- you just don't approve of it. Not only is dominance/submission one of the oldest story structures in entertainment, but the stern disapproval of porn is a staple of the puritanical mind. After all, if you take the "dirtiness" out of sex, all you have left is hearts and flowers. There are plenty of sweet love stories on commercial screens, so it's not as if porn has crowded them out of the market, nor has it made romantic love obsolete. Nor is anyone being forced to perform in or watch porn against their will. It is natural that we should find the sex acts of others distasteful, even loathsome, precisely becasue it reminds us of our own impulses, however we may wish to tidy them up with the ribbons and bows of ritual. So at regular intervals we are treated to tales of erotic depravity accompanied by cries of "what are we becoming?" and "What about the children who are exposed to this?"

But porn is popular and diverse enough that you can find material to suit any taste-- it's not all the same. Bodies are bodies and people haven't invented anything new since the days it was first inscribed on stone tablets. So relax, and remember, one of the main ingredients of sexual passion is anger, and that includes the anger you feel when you think about all those people doing those dirty, dirty things to each other.
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 02:29AM
So relax, and remember, one of the main ingredients of sexual passion is anger, and that includes the anger you feel when you think about all those people doing those dirty, dirty things to each other. - linc

Not even. Maybe you're projecting.

I really don't understand it. I don't get sexually aroused from someone else's pain and debasement, and I think that if you do, then you have serious issues.

And when it becomes a trillion dollar industry, I think it says something significant about the mental health of the culture.

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"When they say there’s not enough money, they mean there’s not enough money for YOU." - Jill Stein, Green Party presidential nominee.



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Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 02:52AM
PTTP again the mentality is the same mentality in the multibillion dollar sport you enjoy football.

If you don't honestly think football is about domination, you're kidding yourself.

And the last two memorable football entertainers made statements about it. The horrifying tit flash of Janet Jackson and McJagger whose line "Am I just one of your cocks?" was bleeped out by the censors.

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Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 03:12AM
PTTP again the mentality is the same mentality in the multibillion dollar sport you enjoy football. If you don't honestly think football is about domination. - Kairos

I find no comparison between watching athletes try to dominate other athletes who are on an equal footing and deriving sexual pleasure from watching multiple men gang bang a woman half their size, tearing up her vagina (or asshole), excreting various bodily fluids all over her body and beating her until she's bloody and bruised. If they were the same thing, then millions of men would be spending their Sundays holed up in their bedrooms alone with a TV, a remote, and a bottle of Jergens lotion.

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"When they say there’s not enough money, they mean there’s not enough money for YOU." - Jill Stein, Green Party presidential nominee.



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Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 05:51AM
All life is about domination or, sometimes, in the case of humans, the sublimation of the need to dominate. Look at this forum.

At the Scopes Monkey Trial, Clarence Darrow gave a brilliant speech, but the cynical journalist H.L. Mencken told him "You may as well have shouted it up a waterspout in Outer Mongolia for all the effect it will have on your listeners ..

Ditto here.
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 09:18AM
PTTP I agree, I can't see how people can stomach that, let alone get off on it, then again I can't stomach football either, which is why my life's motto is to each their own.

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Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 09:21AM
"All life is about domination or, sometimes, in the case of humans, the sublimation of the need to dominate." -int

interested... are you actually a closet Republican...?

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Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 09:37AM
Kairos,
I toured Ephesus several years ago. My family and I will be in Turkey this summer and I hope to return. I don't remember the passageway from the library though. Thanks for the etymology of fornication.
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 09:40AM
The passageway under the street bit was from an archaeological class on Turkey that I took recently. Where abouts in Turkey were you planning to visit this year other than Istanbul?

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Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 10:00AM
Interesting, Kairos. I've never thought of football as representative of capitalism's desire to dominate.
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 10:03AM
Check how much their charging for 30 seconds of airtime.

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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

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Re: Gonzo Porn
February 09, 2010 11:04PM
There might be more gonzo porn, but it's only because it's easier to make porn these days with the electronic gizmos available and the internet to distribute it. If you've ever seen Boogie Nights, there's a bit in there where the financier says to Burt Reynolds that the old way of filming movies with stories is over - people want their sex fast, hard, etc... Now that you can have some dude in his basement making porn and distributing from his computer - you're going to get more representation of exactly what some (small percentages of) people believe is a turn on. But so far as new? I don't think so. The Japanese have been tying up women (very elaborately) and doing strange things to them for centuries - we just haven't been aware of it because it wasn't readily available over here in the US. I actually believe things are getting better - at least in some respects. Back in the 70s there was a 60 Minutes(?) episode where they went down to Times Square in NY and bought child porn right out of one of the XXX book stores. A regular street front shop. Don't know if it was illegal at the time (I imagine it was) - but right there out in the open they were selling it. I'd be shocked if you could do that today.
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 10, 2010 03:32PM
In our current system man isn't anything except a high-tech gizmo anyway. Why would capitalism want to buy new machines when it's got billions lying about to use and abuse at will?
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 11, 2010 01:09AM
The term "Gonzo Porn" doesn't mean "extreme porn", it just means videos that have no storyline, which are shot more like documentaries than dramas, that is, it's improvised and spontaneous. There is an art to shooting this way, and it tends to look more "real" than scripted works, and really tries to focus on the actual energy of the performers.

Sadomasochism has been a theme in porn since forever, but producers have been reluctant to show actual penetration with bondage and domination for fear of government prosecution until the summer of 2007, at which time the barriers began to fall as certain brave producers dared more and more. Now, only three years later, sites like kink.com show pretty much every sex act in an S&M context.

Anti-porn forces in the government have succeeded in getting convictions using the technique of ordering a video through the Internet from a conservative area of the country and then gathering a jury from that community to prosecute the producers. They have concentrated on two categories-- bodily excretions such as vomit, urine and anal expulsion, and on simulated abuse of models who are made to appear especially young and vulnerable, like teenagfe girls.

American pornographers are still the most dynamic, artistic and prodigious in the world, and I make my home in what is known as Porn Valley, the San Fernando Valley California, where I regularly see porn stars shopping at my local grocery store.

There will always be aspects of our desires that are shameful and hidden-- but they will also be available in certain contexts, found on the seamy side of the street, in the shadows. In a democracy, porn should be available to everyone.

How much does porn influence our attitudes, and how much do our attitudes influence porn? Why, for example were the guards at Abu Graib moved to humiliate their charges sexually just because they thought they could get away with it? It wouldn't have happened in WWII, a more "decent" era. Recently some high schoolers in California were accused of gang raping a teenage girl at a prom, while her classmates filmed with their cell phone cameras. It was their impulse not to stop the crime but to take pictures, as if that is the natural thing to do at a "gang bang".

Anti-porn people are really trying to resolve sexual conflicts within themselves, and mount crusades at regular intervals to "clean up" their fellow citizens' minds. The more repressive the government the more puritanical the censorship. Fortunately for the cause of human freedom, images are becoming more and more difficult to control.
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 11, 2010 01:40AM
I'm not in favor of censoring porn ( or censoring anything ).
Re: Gonzo Porn
February 11, 2010 02:14AM
Why I Had to Stop Making Hardcore Porn, by Sam Benjamin [www.alternet.org]
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