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Poll: Biden proposal more popular than 'Medicare for All' in general election

Posted by Curt Anderson 
Poll: Biden proposal more popular than 'Medicare for All' in general election
September 12, 2019 07:26PM
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The USC/Los Angeles Times poll finds that 48 percent of eligible voters surveyed support giving everyone the option of a government-run health insurance plan, compared to just 14 percent who oppose it. Thirty-eight percent had not heard enough to have an opinion.

The full-scale Medicare for All, which eliminates private health insurance, polls somewhat worse. That proposal gets 39 percent support to 34 percent opposition.
[thehill.com]
Re: Poll: Biden proposal more popular than 'Medicare for All' in general election
September 12, 2019 08:03PM
Look how popular Obamacare wasn't when it was being proposed and implemented. Then skip ahead to the hoards of average Americans with their metaphorical torches and pitchforks that kept the Republican party from scrapping it even though they controlled the entire government.

Re: Poll: Biden proposal more popular than 'Medicare for All' in general election
September 12, 2019 08:52PM
Ponderer,
Compared to the concept of Medicare-for-all now, Obamacare when introduced, was wildly popular. I jest, Obamacare was barely above water in popularity initially. No matter how good M4A might be, voters are rightfully suspicious of any proposal in which the government subtracts a benefit with the promise that it will be replaced with something better. The natural questions to ask are: better for whom and what will it cost me? It wasn't by accident that Obama sold Obamacare by telling voters, that they "could keep their doctor" when the ACA became law.

Your allusion to pitchforks perfectly illustrates the resistance to subtraction. Obamacare became more popular when Trump and the Republicans threatened to take it away.

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Just before Barack Obama’s inauguration in 2009, 51 percent of Americans in an Associated Press poll said “implementing a national health care plan” was a top priority. And early in Obama’s presidency, the majority of Americans surveyed in a 2009 CNN poll approved of the job he was doing on health care. But once the law passed in 2010, it was generally rated unfavorably until President Trump took office and the prospect that the law would be scrapped became real.
Source: [fivethirtyeight.com]
Re: Poll: Biden proposal more popular than 'Medicare for All' in general election
September 12, 2019 09:38PM
Just how once we have Medicare For All, no one will want it to be taken away in any ensuing Republican administration.

People are understanding more and more everyday what Bernie's plan entails. And once enough people understand that NOTHING is being "subtracted" except anyone ever declaring bankruptcy from medical bills, the massive amounts they are currently paying now, and the voluminous waste of the system we now have and Biden wants to keep us in, attitudes will change dramatically.

Re: Poll: Biden proposal more popular than 'Medicare for All' in general election
September 12, 2019 10:15PM
It appears that the mass of Biden's support is coming from people who don't really care much about actual policies, or don't care if he has any or not. I chalk this up to most of those supporting Biden not being all that politically interested or informed. Such folk might be more apt to succumb to the baseless paranoia being flogged around M4A.

"Overall, policy stances loom as a top reason for those considering Warren, cited by 90% of those doing so. This figure is similar among those considering Sanders. By contrast, those considering Biden cite his time as vice president by a similarly overwhelming amount (87%) and fewer, 59%, cite Biden's policy stances. (Voters in the survey could select more than one reason for backing a candidate.)" -CBS News Polls

Re: Poll: Biden proposal more popular than 'Medicare for All' in general election
September 12, 2019 10:42PM
Ponderer,
You are looking at polling that is limited to registered Democratic voters. To win the general election, the nominee needs a majority of voters in an electoral majority of states. That includes Democrats, Republicans and independents.

Incidentally, that Democrats cite Biden's policy proposals 59% of the time, isn't an indication of them being politically uninterested or uninformed. It means they are favorably impressed by other factors more.

I liken voting for a candidate to a hiring a job applicant. You might hire a person because they wrote an impressive cover letter, or because of an excellent resume, or because they came off well in the interview, or more likely a combination of all three. That one of those factors tipped the scales, doesn't negate the other two deciding factors.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/13/2019 01:15AM by Curt Anderson.
Re: Poll: Biden proposal more popular than 'Medicare for All' in general election
September 13, 2019 04:07AM
Low-information voters support Biden.
Re: Poll: Biden proposal more popular than 'Medicare for All' in general election
September 13, 2019 05:08AM
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Donna
Low-information voters support Biden.

That's racist.

Joe Biden remains top choice for Black voters, according to new poll.
[thegrio.com]
Re: Poll: Biden proposal more popular than 'Medicare for All' in general election
September 13, 2019 05:31PM
Being afraid to call low information voters low information voters just because many happen to be Black is racist.

Are you denying that Black people can be uninformed?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/13/2019 05:37PM by Donna.
Re: Poll: Biden proposal more popular than 'Medicare for All' in general election
September 13, 2019 05:39PM
Wow, Curt. How in the world is such a broad statement referring to no particular race whatsoever racist?

Do you actually believe that the majority of low information voters are black, so therefore saying anything negative about low information voters is racist???

That sounds kinda racist.

Re: Poll: Biden proposal more popular than 'Medicare for All' in general election
September 13, 2019 10:07PM
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Donna
Low-information voters support Biden.


Curt- "That's racist."

Curt, I wouldn't call it racist, I think it's extremely elitist.
Re: Poll: Biden proposal more popular than 'Medicare for All' in general election
September 13, 2019 10:21PM
Donna,
I was just yanking your chain. Although I don't believe Biden supporters are any less informed than Sanders supporters. Biden happens to hold more popular positions than Sanders and other candidates. There is a certain naivete to Sanders supporters.

Sanders big issue is Medicare-for-all. Healthcare actually rates fairly low on the importance scale with most Americans. Healthcare as an issue is behind "The government/Poor leadership", "Immigration", "Guns/Gun control" and "Race relations/Racism". [news.gallup.com] I don't think it's assuming too much that "The government/Poor leadership" translates to people's dissatisfaction with Trump. Biden is the candidate who is most focused on the problem that is Trump. People who say Trump isn't the issue are just wrong. Biden supporters understand that. Electability is a legitimate issue. That Biden is the one candidate who leads Trump in a state like Texas means something. If a Democrat wins Texas' electoral votes, it's game over for Republicans nationally, and probably for a long time.

Trump ran as the candidate who would shake things up, disrupt the status quo and drain the swamp. Well, if acting like a mental patient is shaking things up, he's accomplished that. But Trump's act is tiresome. Sanders is another candidate who promises to shake up the status quo. Warren is generally following Sanders' playbook. Biden represents a return to normalcy. People don't want to be exhausted by another president who promises to shake things up. Most just want a decent person who cares about people.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/13/2019 10:32PM by Curt Anderson.
Re: Poll: Biden proposal more popular than 'Medicare for All' in general election
September 14, 2019 06:18PM
I looked at that Gallup poll. It does NOT show that Americans think gun issues are more important than health care issues. You're just looking at the spike in August.

"Poor leadership" ranks higher than all other categories because it's the root cause of all of those problems listed below it. The only issue that is decidedly more important to Americans than health care is immigration, and that's because Trump made it a huge issue on the right, and then it also become a huge issue on the left because of the horrible way Trump has addressed it.

It's funny how the abortion issue is almost non-existent now. Americans are easily manipulated.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/2019 06:19PM by Donna.
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