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Some perspective on Las Vegas

Posted by Curt Anderson 
Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 03, 2017 07:55PM
While these mass shootings get a lot of attention, there are about thirty homicides by gun per day. Another 60 will day will die of self-inflicted gun shots. These constant but less spectacular deaths happen almost without comment but they are the ones in which gun laws could have the most positive influence.

For example, Oregon's Governor, Kate Brown, just signed gun control legislation to allow "extreme risk protection orders".
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The orders temporarily forbid a person from possessing or purchasing deadly weapons if they’re deemed an imminent threat to themselves or others.
The process begins when a family member or law enforcement officer petitions the court for such an order.
The person must support the request with a statement made under oath showing that the respondent poses a threat to themselves or others.
A judge weighs the petitioner’s statement; the subject’s history of suicide threats or attempts of violence; convictions for domestic violence, stalking, DUI or animal cruelty; recent illegal drug use, unlawful and reckless use of deadly weapons; and previous violations of restraining orders.
The judge can also take into account testimony from a mental health professional. [www.oregonlive.com]

Since Al Capone-days automatic weapons have been heavily regulated. A special license and an FBI background check are required to obtain one. It's been illegal to manufacture automatic weapons since 1986. However, kits to convert semi-automatics (requiring one trigger pull per shot) into rapid-fire automatics are readily available. Legislation certainly could curtail that sort of business which is designed to help criminals skirt gun laws.

Even if the Second Amendment were to be repealed, evil schemers intent on murder could find other ways to inflict carnage. A car or truck can mow down scores of people in moments. A deadly bomb can be made with a pressure cooker and other simple household items. We can, however, reduce the homicides and suicides by impulsive violence-prone and unstable people who kill without much forethought by keeping guns way from them.

We certainly can't expect the media to not cover these mass shootings, but if some lunatic wants to be guaranteed that they will talked about and remembered, they simply need to kill dozens of people. Mass murderers obtain instant fame and a sick sort of celebrity. It's a sad commentary that more people know the name of the Las Vegas killer than they do any of the names of any of the victims, the heroic first responders or the six Americans who won Nobel Prizes this week.



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/03/2017 08:34PM by Curt Anderson.
Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 03, 2017 09:17PM
Where do you read in the Second Amendment that fully automatic weapons should be illegal?

Inquiring minds want to know.
Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 03, 2017 09:24PM
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Mirabeau
Where do you read in the Second Amendment that fully automatic weapons should be illegal?

Inquiring minds want to know.

They are not illegal, just well-regulated.



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Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 03, 2017 09:41PM
They are illegal to manufacture since 1986, according to your post.
Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 03, 2017 09:52PM
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Mirabeau
They are illegal to manufacture since 1986, according to your post.

There is a right to bear arms, not a right to manufacture them.



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Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 03, 2017 10:00PM
Does one still have the right to publish a print edition of a newspaper under "freedom of the press" if the government bans the production of newsprint?
Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 03, 2017 10:08PM
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Mirabeau
Does one still have the right to publish a print edition of a newspaper under "freedom of the press" if the government bans the production of newsprint?

Yes. For example, paper made of hemp was made illegal, therefore other means of making paper were substituted.



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Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 03, 2017 10:22PM
If the government BANNED the production of ALL newsprint, as it has banned the production of ALL automatic weapons, that would NOT be a proscription of First Amendment rights with respect to freedom of the press?

Is that REALLY your argument?
Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 03, 2017 10:39PM
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Mirabeau
If the government BANNED the production of ALL newsprint, as it has banned the production of ALL automatic weapons, that would NOT be a proscription of First Amendment rights with respect to freedom of the press?

Is that REALLY your argument?

Actually, it was YOUR argument. I simply answered your question in the affirmative. The government banned the production of just one type of paper. Likewise the government bans the production of just one type of gun when it bans automatic weapons. In fact, there are other types of arms that are not available for civilian use: cannons, howitzers, etc.

The government can and does restrict and regulate other means of expression. The existence of the FCC has been determined not to be a violation of the First Amendment. Our constitutional rights are not considered to be limitless. There is no yelling "fire!" in a theater, etc.



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Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 03, 2017 11:00PM
A Mass shooting is defined as one where four or more are shot in one place or episode. Something like that, I don't recall exactly. Las Vegas makes it more than 270 this year so far alone. That is far more than one thousand people killed in a Mass shooting.
Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 03, 2017 11:01PM
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Curt Anderson
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Mirabeau
If the government BANNED the production of ALL newsprint, as it has banned the production of ALL automatic weapons, that would NOT be a proscription of First Amendment rights with respect to freedom of the press?

Is that REALLY your argument?

Actually, it was YOUR argument. I simply answered your question in the affirmative. The government banned the production of just one type of paper. Likewise the government bans the production of just one type of gun when it bans automatic weapons. In fact, there are other types of arms that are not available for civilian use: cannons, howitzers, etc.

The government can and does restrict and regulate other means of expression. The existence of the FCC has been determined not to be a violation of the First Amendment. Our constitutional rights are not considered to be limitless. There is no yelling "fire!" in a theater, etc.

Cannons and howitzers are not included for a very specific reason. They cannot be BORNE by the individual. "Keep and BEAR arms/." The amendment has been construed to be limited to those arms which can be borne by a person. Most automatic weapons can, indeed, be borne by an individual. Mirabeau can think of no valid reason why they should be restricted to the extent they are, nor can he fathom why it should be illegal to manufacture them.
Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 04, 2017 03:24AM
"Mirabeau can think of no valid reason why they should be restricted to the extent they are" -MiraBooHoo

Curt, I don't think he heard about that shooting in Las Vegas the other night...

Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 04, 2017 03:59AM
Don't think you heard of the Second Amendment.

You lose.
Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 05, 2017 09:14PM
Cannons and howitzers... cannot be BORNE by the individual. - Miraboohoo

Okay, then grenade launchers.

If you think that our Constitutional rights don't have restrictions, then you're a bigger dumb-ass than I thought.
Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 05, 2017 09:21PM
I love how ammosexuals like MiraBooHoo insist on what they think is an adamantly literal interpretation of the Second Amendment, while at the very same time completely ignoring the blatantly literal intent of what the Framers established the amendment for in the first place.

Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 06, 2017 05:04AM
Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 06, 2017 05:13AM
Where in the Constitution of the United States of America is the right to own a truck enshrined?

(Mirabeau charges no fee for bitchslapping liberals)
Re: Some perspective on Las Vegas
October 06, 2017 05:25AM
Where in the Constitution does it declare that being allowed to have a gun means it can't be regulated while you have it?

And let me save you the argument...

infringe
infringed; infringing
transitive verb
1 :to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another. infringe a patent
2 obsolete :defeat, frustrate
intransitive verb
:encroach —used with on or upon. infringe on our rights

We have a lot of rights to things via the Constitution. We have the right to be secure in our home and our possessions. Yet a court can issue a warrant for law enforcement to infringe on that right for certain demonstrably good reasons.

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